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Jarr Kaleb
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Posted - 2017.03.06 00:50:59 -
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I'm also fully support GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading!
Moac Tor wrote:Be under no illusion, if our trade hubs were to disappear overnight, broker fees would increase dramatically. True.
Right now every other trade hub around Jita (except Moac Tor's GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading) is either seased their operations\destroyed or is paying extortion money to Pandemic Horde. GÖö Planet V - Offshore Trading is literelly the last oplot standing. As soon as it falls they will raise fees immediately and we will get similar fees like we have in Dodixie player owned hubs at the moment... |
Jarr Kaleb
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Posted - 2017.03.09 02:23:38 -
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Ethan02 wrote:Pouring a bit of oil into the fire... Currently it seems IChooseYou has the largest market share and growing IChooseYou should say thank you to PV... he has it this easy just because PV is helping him with broker's fee rates.
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I know, IChooseYou is also reading this thread... IChooseYou, can you do something with your not so good Perimeter hub placement? It is so bad I am crying every time I fly freighters and\or heavy tanked transports... it is huge pain in the ass to undock from your hub with all that bumping\re-aligning to Jita\any other gate. I imagine how pissed people who fly freighters a lot more than me.
I suck at photoshop, but here is a quick guide how to place trade hub\engineering complex so freighter pilots will love you - http://imgur.com/a/TpF4W |
Jarr Kaleb
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Posted - 2017.03.09 15:41:47 -
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Shank Yoass wrote:PH gonna take you down, brah.
Ain't no way to stop the Horde. Best idea is be assimilated. Join us. It don't hurt.
No trade is the free trade.
We coming.
http://i.imgur.com/yVfbeus.gif From traders with <3. |
Jarr Kaleb
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Posted - 2017.03.10 18:25:10 -
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@Pindi buoy, are you another Gobbins alt? He spams this literally everywhere he can...
Honestly, all I see from these logs is greedy PH trying to extort some money...
Pindi buoy wrote:It's hard to trust and invest with you. You do not provide any stability, have made an enemy out of the one of the biggest nullsec bloc and cannot be trusted because you are lying. Bullsh_t.
Karin did provide stability for _many months_ for us, traders, and he can be trusted. Back then, in 2016, Karin even promised permanent 0.0% for people willing to help him with defence and he never changed his word. With the help of these people PV hub even survived Lenny's\MC\VMG aggression.
Also Karin never lied about broker's fees, he did change them at some point iirc but he never said to traders that he is offering x% while actually having y%... |
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Posted - 2017.03.10 19:17:08 -
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Pindi buoy wrote:Karin plotted with PH leader to take down competing citadels and share profits, then backed out of the deal. Consequently, his citadels were hit.
OP is spinning a bunch of lies tbh. All of the logs were leaked on reddit.
You can also read this log where Karin and the null leader make a deal to kill other citadels You do really sound like a PH alt... PH appeals to traders using this irrelevant sh_t.
PH seem to don't understand one thing... traders see competition between hub owners as a perfectly normal thing and most of them don't give a f_ck about it as long as they get a good place to trade and have their x-y% fees with no scam.
In the end it was PH that f_cked up whatever market traders had in Perimeter and even now PH continue to fooling around with bazillion of their 0.1% structures instead of concentrating on one place. |
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Posted - 2017.03.12 15:58:44 -
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Shank Yoass wrote:Join us. Nah...
https://zkillboard.com/br/89027/ |
Jarr Kaleb
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Posted - 2017.03.13 06:21:35 -
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Toobo wrote:So that's my 2 cents - for people like me, the biggest incentives to move to 'your' citadel would be assurance that you have the power/ISK/diplomatic relations to keep your structure running safely/reliably. All upwell structures are safe because of Asset Safety, you will not lose any items in high-sec if a structure is destroyed.
You said you are using PH backed structure... is it ICY's trade hub? Don't you know that he is unanchoring his hub in Amarr, which currently is the biggest player-owned trade hub in Domain? As he himself said it's because he was unable to reach a deal with the people attacking the trade hub. As for The Forge, it is known that PH and ICY have "short-time agreement"... What will happen if they are unable "to reach an agreement" in the future?
Even NETC, C4K or any other groups who seem to be reliable and\or have some backing, they all can disappear tomorrow... EvE community already seen how big projects\alliances crumble.
Imo if you're too concerned about safety and reliability you should probably just use Jita 4-4, it is the most safe and reliable trade hub out there. |
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Posted - 2017.03.14 16:15:23 -
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William Ormono wrote:The ONLY advantage I see to citadel trading is the lower brokerage rate. Citadels have more than one advantage over NPC stations. The one I like the most (besides fees) is that anyone can easily dock\undock with billions in cargo without worrying about gankers and their scouts. |
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Posted - 2017.03.15 11:39:36 -
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William Ormono wrote:So again, I'm kinda new to this, but I have insta-dock and insta-undock bookmarks in all the major trade hubs, so this doesn't seem like an advantage to me. I have never even once been locked, never mind being shot or destroyed when docking or undocking in Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Hek or Rens.
Also, I was focusing on citadel advantages/disadvantages as they apply to a traders. Safe docking/undocking is more of a hauler issue than a trader's issue IMO.
You say there are more than one advantage to citadels over stations. Besides cheaper broker rates and safer docking/undocking what other advantages can I get from selling in a citadel?
Insta-undock bookmarks will help you avoid only inexperienced gankers. Experienced gankers\ganking groups usually have trained alt up with already deployed probes that can cover all of your insta-undock bookmarks no matter the distance from a station. When your ship land on a bookmark, their scouting\bumping ship lands on you with very little time difference.
As for the advantages... there aren't many advantages for a station trader who is 'flipping plexes all day everyday' but if you're trading between stations (maybe do some manufacturing as well) and haul your items yourself, the advantages besides cheaper broker rates are safer docking\undocking, citadel's delivery system, free offices and jump clones along with instant clones swapping (eg. nomads>ascendancy). It all sums up letting you to save quite a bit of time and money. |
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Posted - 2017.03.15 23:10:36 -
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Cor'El Dahken wrote:And honestly if all of these traders are hating on horde so much why have they not paid someone to take out their structures and Pocos in highsec?? I dare say if all the upset traders put their funds together they could afford it. I doubt 'these traders' hate PH that much... Besides why waste money to blap structures not many people use.
But, maybe if they can build a trade hub similar to what Karin had, it would be good idea to consider. |
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Jarr Kaleb
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Posted - 2017.03.16 10:31:54 -
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Toobo wrote:I just don't see any moral high ground in doing this though. And that's what I generally do not like. It's not much different from CODE. doing their RP thing as the 'saviour of high sec', just rephrased as saviour of the free trade. What? Actually it's PH which is acting more like CODE extorting iskies from hub owners and traders while blabbling everywhere "no trade is the free trade". Don't you know that CODE is the biggest high-sec extortion and griefing project in New Eden?
As far as I know, no one who supports Planet V (including its owner) is forcing his\her views onto others or is flying around selling trading permits. And you don't need to follow "The Perimeter Code of Conduct" to use Planet V trade hub or any other trade hub you like...
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Jarr Kaleb
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Posted - 2017.03.18 01:24:29 -
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Pindi buoy wrote:Our assets get stuck for days every now and then or we need to move them from one place to another and re-set all the orders and do all this over and over. It was fine the first time and the second time, but now it's what, 15th time? I lost track. Back then Karin was offering free hauling service with collateral to traders. It's not like traders were left alone with their assets.
I kind of understand that re-listing orders every two weeks may be somewhat annoying to some people but moving assets with no risk at all from tether to tether or using free courier service shouldn't sound like a bad option, right?
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Honestly, in comparison to horde, no matter how you feel about Karin and his plans, the latter at least knew what to do while PH seems to just fly around, pretending to have fun. Horde don't_ even_ trying_ to generate traffic to any of their hubs.
It's just business, you're right... but, I also don't need long talks about safety and reliability while sh_t still sells faster and better in Jita. I want to see that the owner is caring about his trade hub and traders... or at least trying.
ps. Will Pandemic Horde offer to traders free hauling service if something goes wrong? Doubt so... |
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Posted - 2017.03.19 13:49:11 -
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Hello, if I'm not mistaken you're the owner of Adam4eve website.
Can you please explain what is going on with statistics of some of player owned trade hubs?
Please, see this screenshot, pay attention to buy orders\buy volume highlighted red. I checked statistics today with ~20min or so interval, why is there such a huge difference?
If it's a bug why all the player owned hubs weren't affected?
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And here are larger screenshots - http://i.imgur.com/7Py4GB3.jpg before http://i.imgur.com/tb17f2j.jpg after |
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Posted - 2017.03.24 17:58:39 -
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Q. WHY FREE TRADE IS BAD? A. Free trading allows the ability for margin scamming to be free.
An article posted on imperium.news by Jeronica (PL\EVE-Mogul). Might be interesting to read. |
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Posted - 2017.04.08 14:11:47 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Planet V Trade aims to offer a reliable, secure, and convenient service to all traders of New Eden. To make things even more convenient I can now officially announce that we will be offering a free hauling service to Planet V market hubs in Perimeter and Ashab. Simply create a public courier contract with collateral up to 20 billion ISK, and a volume of no more than 500,000 m3, and one of our haulers will transport it for you within 24 hours. Just ensure that the destination is one of the official Planet V Trade market hubs listed in the 'Planet V Trade' channel, and that the pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system.
But, if you haul your stuff yourself (especially between regions) this information may be useful. |
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Posted - 2017.04.08 17:48:33 -
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Karin Yang wrote:Jarr Kaleb wrote:But, if you haul your stuff yourself (especially between regions) this information may be useful. Moac Tor wrote:pickup location is another Citadel or Engineering Complex in the same system. This is exactly why I linked that. That information may help people who can't use PVT's free hauling service and\or need to move their stuff from other systems\NPC stations. |
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Posted - 2017.04.30 02:24:12 -
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Tim Gemulus wrote:People that support Planet V. You are being lied to! Gobbins, please re-login. https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5o7lhl/people_of_perimeter_your_traders_have_lied_to_you/
Tim Gemulus wrote:I went into the Planet V chat channel today to ask some questions in regards to the latest update, voice some concerns etc. Rather than provide any sort of official response at all I was instead quietly banned from the channel without any answers or explanation. If I had rights I'd also ban you. It's not the first time you're spamming the channel. You talked to Moac twice or thrise during previous months and got all your questions answered.
I'm amazed that Moac still wastes his time replying to yet another spam from butthurt Pandemic Horde alt. |
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Posted - 2017.05.02 19:55:24 -
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Jeronica wrote:Once 0% citadels have been eradicated, Mogul will be implementing a minimum 15% broker fee at all structures.
I'll be making trillions off the PLEX market in no time! Gobbins also dreams about trillions off the citadels markets. You two together make a good pair.
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Posted - 2017.05.03 05:50:15 -
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It seems that Sinq Laison local thugs are working together with IChooseYou\Pandemic Horde.
In case you aren't familiar with the markets in Sinq Laison -
There are local thugs\extortionists - DevilBear that claim to represent all the markets in Sinq Laison (Dodixie hub region). DevilBear thugs are forcing traders to use 'right' hubs, and sending threats if traders are using 'wrong' hubs.
Recently, the thugs were sending these mails to all traders that were docked in Sinq Laison Planet V Trade Hub. To see if IChooseYou traders are also getting the same threatment I docked my alts in ICY hub for a couple of days... and as expected I didn't get any threats\emails.
DevilBear thugs seem to ignore IChooseYou hub, targeting only traders that are docked in Planet V Trade hub. |
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Posted - 2017.05.03 16:23:17 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Sometimes I am amazed as to how little it takes for you guys to jump to conclusions if you think it fits your narrative. I don't believe anything you say anymore. You became untrustworthy since the time you started using '0.1% is 0%' tricks. It's funny that you say you want to be trusted, but your actions speaks louder than words - http://imgur.com/dUTUCcA
You are already paying billions to Pandemic Horde to clear the competition, so I don't see what stops you from hiring DevilBear thugs in Sinq Laison.
In comparison to you, since Moac took over 'Planet V', PV never hired any forces to destroy any competing hubs including yours no matter what region it is.
IChooseYou wrote:Maybe I should come back to Ashab where I offered 0.0% before you got set up. +1 if you are a trader reading this and you think I should. You unanchored your 0% hub in Ashab as soon as they told you to f_ off, leading to all of our (traders) assets being locked for 5 days. I was using your hub there since there weren't any Planet V hubs at that time. No apologies were given from your side.
+1? No, don't bother. |
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Posted - 2017.05.03 17:51:49 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Jarr Kaleb, you are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.
You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the name of a citadel and the tax rate. You actually need to log off and on of the game for the name of the citadel to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. What you are doing is shameful. Yes, I'm sitting 23\7 in Perimeter watching stupid Structure Browser so I can take a screenshot at the right time.
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You used '0.1% is 0%' for days. And not once.
You are a liar!
A couple of months ago you were a little bit more honest - http://imgur.com/a/cap6P You called this '0.1% is 0%' trick - 'rounding the number'. But when people were like 'wtf' you hastily edited your messages.
Good job, IChooseYou, you forced me to waste my time on finding your messages on Reddit.
I like this one too - http://imgur.com/E005vNX |
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Posted - 2017.05.03 22:45:14 -
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IChooseYou wrote:It is lies like this which will make Planet V supporters lose credibility. Let's talk more about lies and credibility!
IChooseYou, when you switched to 0.1% public fees in Perimeter, probag asked you about 0% for him, but you said that it would be unfair for everyone else - http://imgur.com/f0XpCUF
Tell us more please about fairness. Do you think it is fair if some of your traders have permanent 0% at your hub while the rest trade paying 0.1% fee with no hope to get 0%? The most noticeable chosen one is the guy who operates in PLEX market. He admitted that you gave him permanent 0% in your Perimeter hub. So, because of him having no broker fees he can easily pull stuff like that -
http://imgur.com/2QIIjJE http://imgur.com/a/CnjYH http://imgur.com/a/HiM2r
He stays competitive with Planet V PLEX traders, but he squeezes margins from every other PLEX trader in your hub, who aren't big enough for you to give them 0%. Because of that you lost all other PLEX traders recently.
IChooseYou, on public you're talking about fairness, but behind people's backs you are doing shady business.Tell us more please about credibility. |
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Posted - 2017.05.09 01:34:34 -
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Moac Tor wrote:He has even resorted to bombarding CCP support with potentially thousands of requests... I like this part - 'against Pandemic Horde to prevent us from dominating the Perimeter market'
As I said on Reddit, Horde leaders are unusually honest. |
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Posted - 2017.05.09 03:12:28 -
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Gilbaron wrote:go back to hiring every highsec merc possible Most of mercs are either blue to Pandemic Horde (eg. MC, VMG) or can't do anything besides gate camping. |
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Posted - 2017.05.14 07:03:41 -
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Fair game?
Our competitor IChooseYou, who is backed by Pandemic Horde, continues to use dirty methods aimed at traders who are using other hubs. IChooseYou began to block traders from his public hubs, thus impeding them on their daily trading. In case some of you don't know, you can't see any sell orders issued in the hub if you're blocked.
The funny thing is that a couple of months ago IChooseYou created a thread on reddit because he was very concerned about fair game - Should one rich individual be able to control who can and canGÇÖt view public market orders?
Today, IChooseYou is exactly that one rich individual who decides who can and can't view public orders in his hub, despite all of his talk on reddit. Even worse, today he blocks traders who support other market hubs, which is much worse in my opinion than to simply block a competing hub owner.
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ps. This is not the only dirty method IChooseYou and Pandemic Horde are using in their quest to dominate Perimeter markets. Some of these tricks I already mentioned in this thread, including sending emails with threats to traders.
Support Planet V Trade! Planet V do not block any traders just because he\she is trading or supporting another hub. |
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Posted - 2017.05.14 16:10:09 -
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IChooseYou wrote:The more tears I collect from Jarr the more I know that what I am doing is working. Well, if by 'what I am doing is working' you mean losing traders, then go ahead.
IChooseYou wrote:One of the main reasons for doing this is that you guys would dock in my citadel and convo every single person telling them to join you. You sure you aren't talking about yourself? Tell us, who was docked in Planet V trade hubs last weeks convoing traders, offering them '0% for 250m' deals, which leo mentioned in his post above? Was it Jarr, lol?
I'm sure, Moac was aware of you doing this little business in Planet V hubs since the very first day. I find it strange, but he did not block you. I think, it clearly shows the difference between Planet V and you. |
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Posted - 2017.05.19 13:17:43 -
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dito Elladin wrote:As of now the Botane F*URus has jacked up the tax to 0.4% I am not going to bother giving you a screenshot, as they do this very regularly, back and forth.......
The below is their own channel:
EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the Tradors'R'us public lounge. We are currently serving:Perimeter - GÿåGÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.1%) Frarn - Gÿå IChooseYou Market (Tradors'R'us - Not at war (0.0%) Hek-Hek - Gÿå IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) Botane - IChooseYou Market - Not at war (0.0%) .......and so on
Build your own opinion and be safe o/
Here is the screenshot. Apparently MOTD has delays too.
IChooseYou, if you're going to reply, just copy\paste this -
IChooseYou wrote:Jarr Kaleb, you are nothing but a fraud. That image you took is pure BS.
You clearly took advantage of the system delay between updating the MOTD and the tax rate. You actually need to log off and on of the game for the MOTD to change. You saw the system flaw and try to paint it against me. What you are doing is shameful.
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Btw, it seems Pandemic Mafia is going into industrialists extortion also - https://zkillboard.com/kill/62372114/ I think, soon Pandemic Horde will succefully replace VMG. |
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Posted - 2017.05.19 21:19:13 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Only thing that I would note is that the broker fees in dodixie have been at 1% for the last six months. I am taking a lot of heat from the hub owners in the area for undercutting them.
IChooseYou wrote:You should see how many mails I received from people thanking me for offering them this cheaper alternative. You didn't bothered with Sinq Laison when there were no Planet V Trade hubs. You came to Dodixie only after you saw PVT there. You quickly put your own 0% hub, then pinged Horde to come to bash our 0% hub. After they succeded, you raised taxes to 0.4% and now you are telling us how much you wanted to offer Sinq Laison traders a cheaper alternative...
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Posted - 2017.05.22 16:36:02 -
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Twista Cohagen wrote:I just have one question to the citadel owners, who is controlling the character "ZWERT". ZWERT is a russian speaking trader to whom IChooseYou personally gave 0% at his hub (dude even boasted about it in local). He has no relation to Planet V afaik. I was talking about him earlier in this my post. |
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Posted - 2017.05.29 11:03:58 -
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Moac was invited as an FC for Karin's Citadel Defenders corporation. Here is the screenshot from the time when Karin was running Planet V, dumbo.
The screenshot you linked is made after Moac took over Planet V. It just states who today have control over old RMT channel and can ban Horde\IChooseYou alts.
By the way, the RMT channel is not used anymore. Planet V has new igame channel - Planet V Trade.
Amarr King Pin wrote:How do you explain this? Moac shouldn't explain anything to yet another newly created Pandemic Horde alt. |
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